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that's the fundamental resource,
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That gives us a society instead of
a dog-eat-dog jungle.
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[ So what about people say if that if
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you have rampant piracy and eliminate
the profit motive and...
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...and creative works, software.
Will not... ]
1:16:17
Well, they were on both counts. For one thing,
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people are making a profit from
developing Free Software,
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but for another, the freedom to
have a community is more important.
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[ People that look at, casually look at
Open Source Free Software and think...
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Well, because you are supposed to
share and do it for people's good will,
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Doesn't that seem someone communist.
What's your response? ]
1:16:42
Absolutely nonsense,
it makes me really angry when people do that.
1:16:47
Well, back in, back in 1989,
actually communism would have been a compliment.
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the word people were using at that time
was "crazy",
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and I want them to use capitalism.
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Communism is an ideology that forces people to share.
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If you don't share, you get thrown in jail or killed.
1:17:07
In 1990, we got a visit from a director
of an institute in uh, Moscow University,
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and actually I saw him in Helsinki just 2 weeks ago,
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but in any event, he came by,
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and Richard Stallman had suggested
that he visit Cygnus,
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because he was interested in and
understanding how the Free Software model...
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might apply to stimulating entrepreneurial
innovation in Russia of all places,
1:17:38
and we had been kind of secretive
about our business plan,
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because you know, we were'nt really
sure it's gonna work,
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we didn't want to look too stupid if it failed.
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But I was very very open with him.
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The more I told him,
the more he started to shake his head like this,
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and I finally said, you know, "What's wrong?"