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who knew how to make money
out of his singers.
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He would own the recording studio...
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he would own the music publishing
company, he would own Bob Dylan.
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He would own Peter, Paul and Mary.
1:25:09
He would sell a Bob Dylan song
to Peter, Paul and Mary...
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who would sing on a recording in his studio,
which he was getting the rights.
1:25:15
So he would get a salami...
He had a salami technique going.
1:25:18
He would get a piece of the action
from six or seven different directions.
1:25:21
He created Peter, Paul and Mary...
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because he saw people really wanted
a fresh, young group like this...
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that they could relate to.
1:25:30
He changed Paul's name to Paul, from Noel.
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So it would have that biblical inference.
He was a genius.
1:25:38
I knew Mary Travers, you know,
of Peter, Paul and Mary.
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I had known her when she was younger.
She used to sing in Washington Square Park.
1:25:44
And she was a nice person
and very lively teenager.
1:25:47
One time, in the middle of winter...
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and it was cold on MacDougal Street,
you know, like February...
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I saw her, and I says,
"Where have you been, Mary?"
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She says, "Well, I've been in Florida
for the last couple of..."
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I don't know if it was weeks or months.
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"A man named Albert Grossman
has put me together...
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"with some other guys
from the coffeehouses...
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"and we're trying out a new group there.
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"We're singing".
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And I said, "You mean
you were in Florida all this time?
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"Where's your tan?
Didn't you ever go out in the sun?"
1:26:17
She says, "No, Albert told me
I shouldn't go out in the sun.
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"That I was supposed to be
the pale, blonde, indoor type".
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And it really made my flesh creep,
to put it truthfully...
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because I was shivering cold in New York...
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and she had the chance
to get out in the sun...
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but that she was being manipulated,
that the whole thing had an image...
1:26:35
it had a look.
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I just felt that this was a bad sign.
1:26:39
I didn't feel that Albert manipulated Bob...
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because I think Bob
was weirder than Albert...
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so that he couldn't manipulate him.
1:26:47
And by weird, I don't mean in a bad way
but I mean that he had enough games.
1:26:50
Now, Bob was also a terrific opportunist...
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so if someone gave him an opportunity
to do something, he could use it.
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I don't know if Bob was a hustler.