1:16:00
Did Colonel Childers
force you to leave the embassy?
1:16:02
Yes. He charged in.
1:16:04
He... started
pushing us around.
1:16:08
He physically restrained me
from doing my job.
1:16:11
What was his state
of mind at this time?
1:16:13
He was in a fury.
1:16:14
He was disrespectful
to me and my family.
1:16:16
Oh, that's bullshit.
1:16:18
It was almost, how should I say,
a murderous rage.
1:16:21
Do you remember what he said?
1:16:23
I remember he said
something like...
1:16:25
diplomacy is bullshit
at this point...
1:16:27
"and that ""nobody fucks
with the American flag""."
1:16:31
- Those were his words.
- Thank you, Ambassador.
1:16:33
No further questions.
1:16:35
Do you believe...
1:16:38
that an American embassy
on foreign soil...
1:16:40
is sovereign
United States territory?
1:16:41
As a general principle, yes.
1:16:43
Do you believe Americans
have a right...
1:16:45
to defend that territory
if it's attacked?
1:16:47
If it is, in fact,
attacked.
1:16:49
Would you have expected
Colonel Childers to surrender...
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to the attacking crowd
or to fight them?
1:16:54
I would have expected neither.
1:16:55
The colonel should have let me
address the crowd,
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then he could have withdrawn
his marines.
1:16:59
Would you have expected him
to hold his fire as he withdrew,
1:17:01
even if he were taking casualties?
- To the extent possible.
1:17:04
So your order would have been,
1:17:05
Hold your fire to the extent
possible, Marines.
1:17:07
And to the extent not possible,
fire away.
1:17:12
Ambassador.
1:17:16
This photograph
is exhibit "C".
1:17:22
- What is that?
- It's a security camera.
1:17:24
Is it mounted
on the roof of the embassy...
1:17:26
and pointed down to where
the crowd had gathered?
1:17:28
- I would suppose so.
- Yes or no, please.
1:17:30
Yes.
1:17:32
- Is it in operation 24 hours a day?
- I suppose so.
1:17:35
- Yes or no?
- Yes.
1:17:37
Do you suppose there is a taping
system attached to this camera?
1:17:40
- Your Honor.
- Colonel.
1:17:41
- Yes.
- Where's the tape?
1:17:43
It is my understanding
that if there were tapes,
1:17:46
undamaged tapes, they'd have been
sent to the State Department.
1:17:49
Undamaged tapes?
1:17:50
Well, there was
destruction and looting...
1:17:53
after the killing.
1:17:55
As you withdrew, did you remember
to take the American flag with you?